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  • david 24 posts 137 karma points
    May 19, 2017 @ 05:49
    david
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    I was searching for "best .net cms" "umbraco is better than" "umbraco is not mature" "umbraco roadmap" etc etc

    and i see there are these cms which were comparable against each other

    DNN, sitefinity, umbraco, orchard and kentico all are good fit for content based website

    nopcommerce is hands down the best website for ecommerce

    vienna advantage is a very good candidate for ERP

    mixerp/frapid is the best for opensource .net ERP framework https://github.com/frapid

    are there any alternate to these which are better than this? there is a comparison by feature (2016) is there any progress on umbraco v7.x and planned for v8 enter image description here

  • Dave Woestenborghs 2386 posts 6746 karma points mvp c-trib
    May 19, 2017 @ 06:41
    Dave Woestenborghs
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    Hi David,

    I don't know who made this comparison (looking at the amount of green checks i would say a Kentico fan), but it is certainly not accurate.

    Umbraco has tons of addons that supply a lot of this functionality. And IMHO the strength of Umbraco is that you have the implement features like you want, exactly meeting client requirements, instead of using a pre build function that you need to tweak, if even possible.

    Dave

  • David Brendel 700 posts 2463 karma points c-trib
    May 19, 2017 @ 08:33
    David Brendel
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    Hi David,

    as Dave said I would also think that this comparison was made by a Kentico Fan.

    Most of the stuff I think is available through packages or can be done manually on point in regards to the client needs. That is the strength of Umbraco.

    So just for example: E-Commerce: Merchello, uCommerce, TeaCommerce

    Google Maps: a lot of different ones like Teratyp and GridMaps and other

    Google Analytics: connection has to be build by hand but there's one which shows the analysis in the backend

    Newsletters: Newsletter Studio

    SEO Tools: SeoChecker and others

    Blogs: Articulate

    Forums: Dialogue

    Event Management: EventCalendar

    Regards David

  • Jonathan Richards 220 posts 1287 karma points
    May 19, 2017 @ 15:52
    Jonathan Richards
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    Google Maps: a lot of different ones like Teratyp and GridMaps and other

    I hang my head in shame, I've failed again. I called it Terratype so that it was unique in github/nuget etc. The old package was called AngularGoogleMaps and nobody could remember that name either.

    Thats it, I'm gonna do a round of very expensive TV ads in all territories and then you've all will be sorry.

    :)

  • David Brendel 700 posts 2463 karma points c-trib
    May 19, 2017 @ 15:56
    David Brendel
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    Hi Jonathan,

    in fact that was a typo by me. So don't be too hard to yourself. :)

    Regards David

  • Simon Justesen 38 posts 94 karma points
    May 19, 2017 @ 09:49
    Simon Justesen
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    Someone should do a bloated Umbraco Ultra Enterprise editon with all those packages that David Brendel mentions to put that comparison list to shame ;-)

    More seriously though, I think new users/site developers need more guidance in what packages to install.

  • david 24 posts 137 karma points
    May 19, 2017 @ 10:06
    david
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    i agree, a kentico fan might have made this comparison

    but still, as a freelance developer he should be able take a project and complete it in quickest time

    for a enterprise developer or an application developer he doesnt have to worry about time

    so, talking from a perspective of a 5year experienced .net freelance developer its about two things 1.feature availability 2.feature extensibility

    if a client wants a shopping website its simple to take nopcommerce and finish it faster than taking umbraco and integrating ecommerce into it

    if a client wants a blog its simple to take dnn or wordpress or wpdotnet and finish the website than using umbraco

    im comparing an equally skilled umbraco expert with other cms expert developers

    i took this comparison from http://www.pixelcrayons.com/blog/cms/top-microsoft-asp-net-cms-comparison/

    although anything can be built on umbraco its like

    i have to invest 20% of time on other cms to build a website where, i have to invest 50% of time on umbraco

    eg: social login/social sharing - yes plugin is good. but it would be better if this feature is in the core analytics - this should be in the core which should be extended by an extension with more features UI - themes engine should be supporting desktop, responsive mobile, web app etc search, sitemap, maps, geo detection, front end editing, user membership roles, banner ad slots, simple cart with coupon modules, drag and drop page builder [divi, ] email integration API library : where developers can import paypal/stripe, sms gateway, logistics, s3 storage, dropbox integration etc] simple ecommerce structure: for eshop, for donations, for saas subscription model etc [just a simple data type definition in the core is enough] multi lingual, multi site extensive url controls [permalink, redirects,vanity urls etc]

    rest, the community can extend using plugins

    Umbraco is great. but it should align itself to compete against wordpress developers should love to consider umbraco to create a website in 30mins 30 mins is enough to create a website in WordPress with a free theme, few menus, few pages, contact page, sitemap with google analytics because most of the features are available and there are plugins to extend

    WordPress + jetpack = for all settings wordpress + woocommerce = for all ecommerce

    Umbraco should have such Umbraco + jetpack = for all settings Umbraco + core template {eshop, classifieds, rich media content, crowdfunding etc} = developers can combine Umbraco core with core template of his choice to further extend the features the community can create plugins, themes based on core templates

    a promissing Umbraco 8.0 road map will welcome more developers

  • david 24 posts 137 karma points
    May 19, 2017 @ 10:08
    david
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    im starting to hate this editor which ignores carriage return

  • David Brendel 700 posts 2463 karma points c-trib
    May 19, 2017 @ 10:24
    David Brendel
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    Hi David,

    I honestly disagree with stating that Umbraco should compete with Wordpress. In fact I say it shouldn't.

    Use the tools that are good for the job. If nopcommerce is the best fit because you just want a shop system. Go with it. If you need a blog pick DNN or Wordpress. If you don't need a CMS than don't use one.

    Haven't found anyone in the Umbraco community that I talked to that would disagree with that statement (I think).

    Also there are so many things I'm personally really glad that they are not in Umbraco like a theme system like Wordpress has it. For analytics - why force the user to use Google Analytics? There are different ones on the market. Integrate ecommerce stuff? Why? I don't need that every time I build a website. Everyone has it's own opinion what is important or not in a CMS.

    Think it all comes down to the one thing stated above. Use the best tool to achieve your goal(s).

    Really not a fan of that whole comparison thing at all to be honest.

    Regards David

  • david 24 posts 137 karma points
    May 19, 2017 @ 10:58
    david
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    Blockquote

    If nopcommerce is the best fit because you just want a shop system.

    Blockquote

    Should i not use Umbraco easily than nopcommerce?

    Blockquote

    Also there are so many things I'm personally really glad that they are not in Umbraco like a theme system like Wordpress has it. For analytics - why force the user to use Google Analytics? There are different ones on the market. Integrate ecommerce stuff? Why? I don't need that every time I build a website. Everyone has it's own opinion what is important or not in a CMS.

    Blockquote

    its not an opinion it looks like you are forcing me to write the code every time i want a feature Time is money. i want to build 10 websites in a day than 1 website in a week

    tell me what is super easy in Umbraco when compare to other cms

    Blockquote

    Really not a fan of that whole comparison thing at all to be honest.

    Blockquote well, im not against umbraco in anyway. i want it to be simple, fast and easily extendable platform like wordpress i dont want umbraco to be a clone of wordpress

    but, i can build website with CLICKS without writing a single line of code

    which UMBRACO cannot do that easily i wish, umbraco get to that level

  • David Brendel 700 posts 2463 karma points c-trib
    May 19, 2017 @ 11:47
    David Brendel
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    Nopcommerce is specialized in being a shop system. Umbraco is not and don't want to. So again. If the tool is better then stick with the best tool.

    I think Umbraco is simple, fast and easy extendable. But in a different way than other systems. Wordpress, as an example, is a full build solution. Umbraco is a framework that you can build upon. That's the way I see it.

    Don't get me wrong, I understand your suggestions and what you want to point out. Sure thing there are maybe things that could have potential to be in core. Maybe some extended (social)login functionality or something else. You can implement that in the core and make a pull request if you want! :)

    Again the main point of what I try to say is. If you solve your business needs to create 10 websites a day by using Wordpress than stick with it. It seems to be the right tool.

    We should be glad for the diversity of tools we have to fulfill the needs of our customers!

    What I try to build for myself currently is a base Umbraco solution which contains the most basic stuff that is needed for setting up a website. With branches for different packages that I then can reintegrate to one big solution. To get that first setup done quicker. Maybe that is also a solution to that problem. :)

    Regards David

  • david 24 posts 137 karma points
    May 19, 2017 @ 12:11
    david
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    if i want an extensive ecommerce website i will pick nopcommerce for sure

    if i want a simple ecommerce website - if thats is available in umbraco then YES

    if i create 10 websites in 1 day, all 10 websites will be crap but i mean to say wordpress is that much easy. even .net developers prefer wordpress to do websites easily than to invest much time in developing a website from scratch

    wordpress was a content platform they bought woocommerce which created a niche

    it would be better like this

    its like wordpress + woocommerce

    if some one wants a blog they just use wordpress

    they dont need woocommerce codes in the core

    umbraco v8.0 + eshop v1.0 = eg: umbraco commerce + community plugins

    umbraco v8.0 + content v1.3 = eg: umbraco news website + community plugins

    umbraco v8.0 + listings v2.1 = eg: umbraco classifieds + community plugins

    umbraco v8.0 + social network v3.3 = eg: umbraco social network + community plugins

    Umbraco.Core + Umbraco.CoreTemplate = multi niche development platform

  • Micha Somers 132 posts 591 karma points
    May 19, 2017 @ 18:03
    Micha Somers
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    The comparison chart misses one tiny little comparison to put things in perspective: the price ;-)

    An Unlimited Server License for Kentico: 369,000 !!!

    (taken from http://www.kentico.com/purchase/price-list/product-license-pricelist)

    What do you get for that?

    Full Kentico EMS edition plus unlimited websites on an unlimited number of servers, free training, premium support, and source code.

    Even if you buy all the training, add-ons and support there exists for Umbraco, download the source code, put it on unlimited websites on an unlimited number of server, it would still be a fraction of that amount.

    Having said that, it still depends on your needs, requirements and budget which of the tools fits best for you.

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