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confusing save and publish button when publication status has set publish at date

11/22/2009 11:53:52 PMAvatarHamishLocation: aucklandposts: 14Karma: 40

umbraco v 4.0.2.

In the Umbraco Content section when publishing nodes (under the Properties tab), its a bit confusing when you try to publish something at a set date (Publish At).

The way I see how umbraco works - "Save" will only save changed content in the CMS and to have the content go live - press "Save and Publish"

When I set a date to "Publish at" - I expect that when I click on "Save and Publish" - it will save and prepare the node to be published on the Publish At date - instead the "Save and Publish" overrides the Publish At date.

To make this work - I have to save the content for the Publish At date to work. Save content shouldn't go live - only content that has been approved for publish should - right?

The UI in the CMS contridicts itself when using this feature?

Shouldn't the UI do the following - "Save" only saves the content and "Save and Publish" notifies the user that the a publish date has been set with a simple message saying - "Content is ready to be published at <"Publish At" Date>"

Sorry for my rumblings - I'm just finding the "Save" and "Save and Publish" buttons confusing when using Publish At date and I'm constantly accidently publishing nodes when I'm meant to have it published at a certain time/date.

11/23/2009 12:06:24 AMAvatarChris HoustonLocation: Davidson House,Forbury Square, Reading, UKCore.admin.posts: 320Karma: 444
Comment with ID: 19870

Hi Hamish,

I've not used the "Publish At" functionality but I do see your point :)

I've not tried it, but if you set the "Publish At" time and then save a revision, does it:

a) publish the previous revision
b) publish the newly edited version
c) delete the "publish at" instruction when the save occurs

Certainly something that would warrent a bit of thought and discussion for a future version.

Cheers,

Chris

11/23/2009 10:45:28 PMAvatarMorten BockLocation: Århus, DenmarkMVP.admin.posts: 1237Karma: 905
Comment with ID: 19965

Chris > The publishing routine looks for any unpublished document with a "Publish at" date that is before "Now". So any saved changes would be published.

I agree with Hamish that this behavior is not as logical as it could be. Better feedback could be given to the user. Maybe a sort of label at the top of the document telling the user if the document is scheduled for publishing.

Maybe add this to codeplex as an improvement suggestion?

11/23/2009 11:56:40 PMAvatarChris HoustonLocation: Davidson House,Forbury Square, Reading, UKCore.admin.posts: 320Karma: 444
Comment with ID: 19968

Hi Morten,

Thanks for clarifying that, it's the way I thought it probably functioned, and like you I can see Hamish's point. I agree it would be a good idea to add this as a suggestion on Codeplex.

Cheers,

Chris

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